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tonight i will be joined by somebody who had the internet buzzing following his remarks at last week's national prayer breakfa breakfast in washington, d.c. he is one of the most accomplished advise i goses in the entire world. despite the accolades which included the award of presidential freedom in 2008 he was unknown to many americans until accepted up to the podium last thursday morning and with the president of the united states sitting steps away dr. carson eloquently and politely described the vision for staiing america. one of the topics the perils of political correctness education the healthcare system and much more. let's take a look at a quick preview. >> one last thing about political correctness which i think is a horrible thing by the way. i am very, very compassionate and i am not ever out to offend any one. but pc is dangerous. you see, this country the principles of freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

it muscles people. it puts a muzzle on them. why is it so important we educate our people? we don't want to go down the same pathway as many other nations who have preceded us. i think about ancient rome. very powerful. nobody could even challenge them militarily. but what happened to them. they destroyed themselves from within. world de -- moral decay, fiscal ir responsibility, they destroy themselves. if you don't think that could happen to america, you get out your book and you start readi reading>> we will have more of the doctor's speech. whenever somebody has the courage to speak truth to power when it involves the president he or she becomes a bit of a political lienting rod. that familiar phenomenon happened in the aftermath of the

doctor's comments describing the actions as quote disrespect will. he will have the opportunity to respond to the critics and hear from the doctor how to restore credible to the healthcare system. frank luntz will provide voters who dialled doctor carson's speech. if they think he may have a shot the surprising auns lies ahead. before we get into that we welcome author of "america the beautiful" and director of pediatric neurosurgery dr. benjamin carson. honor to have you. >> thank you. good to be here. >> you have gone vie rachlt maybe not something you predictd in your life. >> usually in medicine when we think of viruses it's not a good thing. but this one turned out to be very good because i have been overwhelmed the response, so many people are over joyed here

is some common sense. i don't think i put foet anything that intellectually challenging but it's so much better than what we are hearing in washington and it seems like a great revelation. the important thing i think is to begin the dialogue. you can't say something like that in front of the president. when did this become a monarchm? the president works for us. we need to remember that. this is a country that is for of and by the people not for, of and by the government. that is the battle we are in right now. we need to make a decision now. >> you made the comparison of ancient rome and you said is this something you feared. >> we are in very much the same position we are in. so powerful, pinnacle nation in

the world no competition. going to be there for ever so they thought. and then all of the military expansion and capturing this group and this group. when you capture them you keep them out of control they quickly began to run out of money. they are looking for any kind of scheme that has been with people. let's come up with schemes to get their money. that erodes another aspect of confidence and creativity within your society. they continue right now the path of destruction. >> it could happen here? >> in the process of happening. the real question is are we smart enough to stop it? can we learn from those who have gone before us or can we go down the same path of those who have done the same thing? >> hope not.

somebody has to stand up to these bullies. >> the bullies i am talking about are the pc police. they come in many shapes and thunderstorms. certainly a lot of them in your business. >> the media who try to define what you are supposed to think. unfortunately i think the very thing that our founders were talking about when they said it is so important in our system of government is based upon a well informed populus. if they are not they are very easy to manipulate. all you have to do is take a look at men on the street. >> jaywalking. >> by your background this is amazing to me your background.

your mom was married at 13, one of 24 children. you were a trouble maker. >> i was perhaps the worst student you have ever seen. i thought i was stupid all of my classmates thought i was stupid. there was general agreement. >> that was in 5th grade? >> that was in 5th grade. my mother believed in us when no one else did. she said benjamin you are much too smart to be bringing home grades like this. i brought them home anyways. one day she came home after being at work and being inspired looking at all of the books that her employers were reading she said you are going to read books and stop watching so much television. she made a prediction, if you stop bre start reading books some day someone will be watching you on television.

hi everybody. >> very well said. >> it was deeper than that. she had a third grade education herself. you made a comment in the speech she would write a book report. >> we had to have two books a piece and submit a written report which we couldn't re-- s couldn't read but we didn't know that. she would put little highlights. i hated it so much because everybody else was outside playing and having a good time. my brother and i were stuck in the house reading these books. after a while we began to enjoy reading the books. even though we were desperately poor between the covers of the book i could be anybody i could do anything. we began to read about amazing people. >> i wrote about booker t. washington his autobiography called up from slair ry. it was a slave and it was

illegal for slaves to read. that right there is a topic in and of itself. a lot of young people should be thinking about why was it illegal for slaves to read? slave owners knew if they could read they could liberate themselves. same goes for today those young people not availing themselves of an educational opportunity are eventually enslaving themselves. >> it brings forth from within suppo presupposes that was their gift. you had a talent at school where you could push people's buttons. >> i was studying my classmates to figure out what really made them angry. they were always calling me dummy. i would figure out what made them angry and i would irritate them and irritate them until they were about to explode.

i would never push the last button until perp in the classroom and the teacher was nearby. >> we have a lot more to get to tonight. still ahead an open forum between dr. carson and art political strategists. we will chuck in with frank luntz and dial the speech that had egg everybody talking and may found campaign volunteers for team carson. everywhere trust duracell? duralock power preserve. locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. now...guaranteed.

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>> what about our taxation system? so complex there is known who can possible comply with it. what we need to do is come up with something that is simple. when i pick up my bible, do you know what i see? i see the fairest individual in the universe, god, and he's given us a system. it's called tied. we don't necessarily have to do a 10%, but it's principle. he didn't say if your crops fail don't give me any tides. he didn't say if you have a bumper cop give me triple tides so there somebody something inherently fair about proportionality. >> for months and years we've seen president obama talk about pay your fair share.

finally someone stood up to the president. it came when dr. carson issued a forceful challenge to the president's liberal approach to last week's liberal prayer breakfast. but the doctor's comments were much more than meaningful bluster. he backed them up with facts and policy proposals including the flat tax. join me now to talk with him about his approach the saving the economy. welcome dr. ben carson. i don't know if anyone asked you this yet, what was the president's reaction personally to your speech? did you talk to him? >> i talked to him afterwards and he came over. he was very gracious. he said, you know, thank you for your speech. he didn't say he enjoyed it, but he did say. [laughter] >> and he said he admired me >> i suspect you might have known that going in. let me play -- you said

something, in talking about the economy, that really hit home with me. and that's about the deficit. $16.5 trillion we have. >> that is a number that is so mind-boggling. that's why i said if you counted one number, one number per second, it would take you 507,000 years. more than half a million years. it's a number that's just staggering and it's continuing to grow. you know, we sit around and we talk about maybe we can keep it from growing further. we need to reduce it. and the way to reduce it obviously is to get the economy growing again. you know, it doesn't really do any good to keep taking from this tree or that tree and squeezing it down. you know, i talked -- i like parables so in the book i give a parable of two identical brothers. they are put on deserted islands

with their families. one had the philosophy -- they only ate trees and products of trees. one had the philosophy i'm going to eat what i need and i'm going to let the others grow. pretty soon he had an entire forest and another enough food for everyone. the other, as soon as a sampling came up he was on it and was eating it, and he and his family eventually starved to death. basically the same thing, if you keep taking and taking rather than create a situation where you can grow. you look at the fact that we have the highest corporate taxes in the world. and then we wonder why companies are going offshore. well, we need to go back to basic business school and understands that companies are there to earn money, not to be social welfare organisms. >> let me play for you a history. this is president obama, has said many, many times that he was going to fix the debt and the deficit, and he spoke

earlier this week at the state of the union. let's go down memory lane here. >> now, what i have done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spinning cut. and i want to go through the federal budget line by line, page by page, programs that don't work we should cut. >> today i'm pledging to cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end of my first term in office. >> i will use the money we are no longer spending on war to pay down our dealt. my plan to cut our by $4 trillion. >> but what my opponent didn't tell you was that federal spending, since i took office, has risen at the slowest pace of any president in almost 60 years. >> $6 trillion in new debt since he became president. i'm not scug a political question. to me this is more of a morale issue. you can't steal from your kids and grandkids. >> and the people before world

war ii is when it really started deteriorating and always felt we needed to pay our debts down. again you will see lots of quotes in the book about what our founding fathers and some of their predecessors thought about sending debt to the next generation. that, in fact, it was immoral. we've completely forgotten about that now >> i think that's the defining issue of our time. >> it is. you know, the other thing is we need to create a situation that has everybody involved. everybody has to have skin in the game in order to make this work. we talk about an egalitarian society. if everyone is paying according to their ability, which is what the tieing system was, it's proportional, you make a lot you pay a lot, you make very little you pay very little, but your skin is in the game. the reason our government, as it stands now, doesn't like that is because if everybody has to be in the game, it makes it a whole

lot harder for you to raise taxes. now you have to be accountable to everybody and you can't just make 1% or 2% or 5% mad. >> we will take a break. when we come back dr. carson will share with us his prescription for curing america's failing healthcare system. then carson for president? that was the headline at a recent wall street journal editorial. are politics in the doctor's future? we are glad you are with us. my insurance rates e probably gonna double. but, dad, you've got... [ voice of dennis ] allstate. with accident forgiveness, they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. [ voice of dennis ] indeed. are you in good hands?

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>> when a person is born wigive them a birth certificate a health savings account to which they can contribute tax free you can pass it on to your family members when you are 85 years old you got 6 diseases you are not spending up everything you are happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking a death panel. >> welcome back to the special studio edition of hannity. dr. benjamin carson ever since the remarks at the national prayer breakfast he is quickly becoming one of the leading voices in government run healthcare. unlike so plan knee elected

representatives in washington he isn't simply complaining he's giving real reasonable answers to fix the problem. thanks for being here. you gave a speech, a commencement speech in 2007 you used the great analogy if you give people their own accounts and you used food stamps as an analogy. people don't buy porter steak on day one. >> probably have never been abusive a little bit and probably have gone beyond that point but it serves as a good model. when people give their monthly allocation they don't use it in the first five days and starch the rest of the month. if you make people responsible financially with their own help with their own health savings account they are not going to run off to the emergency room where things cost twice as much.

they get the same treatment in the clinic if they have some chronic disease, hypertension, diabetes, what have you now you get that under control so you are not back there in three weeks. it makes a great deal of difference. also with the health savings account you are going to develop a relationship with that healthcare provider. it is not this big neb louse third party. it's you and the pro vierd. you are not going to allow the provider ct scans when you only need one nor is he going to suggest that because he knows it is coming directly out of your hsa. it will bring medicine more into the free market because people are going to be competing and that is the way it should be. >> i have never been able to figure out they put the social security money in the locks box like they said they would. we talk about the debt

$16 trillion. why do you think so many people put their faith, hope, trust and government. what do you think of obama care? >> i think we have been programmed unfortunately to become victims and to think that somebody should be taking care of us. we have gone to a can do nation to a what can you do nation. we start inculcating that into people at an early age. you go to schools now they don't want to give the outstanding academic award because everybody is outstanding. don't want anybody to feel bad. come on, give me a break. you start all of that stuff. >> it perpetuates itself through out their lives. you wind up with people who want to occupy everything. it should be mine.

>> you control your dest neep and the health savings accounts and you even said people that are poor and indigent>> the government is already spending enormous amounts of money healthcare dollars on indigent people. tashing not all that money with people with hsa's over people they know have control. >> would it be necessary to do fine tuning or would it be necessary to kree ain't couragements for people who are not indigent to put money in their hsa. encourage employers to put money into their hsa. these are things that can work up. you can get out of the framework as soon as somebody is saying something. no, no it can't work.

that can work. people can put our minds together and concept we are aiming it and bringing personal response to healthcare. we have to get over the ideology if we strain everything through an ideological screen we will never make any progress. ver mak. >> how many people in the audience, if i can get an audience shot that's correct the republicans articulate when had dr. carson is saying. you are laughing. how many do you think obamacare wouldn't have pass shad show of hands. so there's a failure on the political opposition's side of that debate too then. >> and i don't know why that is. >> i don't know either. >> i'm not sure why they aren't coming up with the right kinds of answers here. >> that dovetails perfectly into our next segment about your potential political future. when we come back, carson 2016 has a nice ring do it but are politics in the doctor's future?

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so if you suffer from middle-of-the-night insomnia, ask your docto about intermezzo and return to sleep again. ♪ >> welcome back to the studio audience edition of "hannity." our guest is dr. ben carson. his remarks at last week's national prayer breakfast not only set the blogosphere on fire, it had many asking him to run for office. an editorial board recently published a column that was entitled, quote, ben carson for president." i will ask him about that but first pollster frank luntz asked them to watch and dial the

doctor's popular speech. >> sean, the words of benjamin carson has struck a chord with a lot of americans. we are here with a group of voters and we want to see what they think of his language. but before we go to them, we will go to the red and green lines. man, does this guy score well on the deficit and debt. >> our deficit is a big problem. think about it. and our national debt, $16.5 trillion. you think that's not a lot of money? i'll tell you what, count one number per second which you can even do because once you get to one thousand it takes longer than a second. do you know how long it would take you to count do 16 trillion at one number a second, 517,000 years, we have to deal with this. >> clearly that language connected. now tell me, carson, describe.

>> polled and real, analytical, self reliant. >> sincere. >> believable. >> provocative. >> is this the kind of guy you can't to see in politics? why yes? >> he's a guy -- he speaks his mind and he's very open-minded. >> why yes? >> he speaks for physicians, i think. >> elizabeth? >> i like his sense of fairness. i felt he was very fair in what he was saying. >> what is it about him that cut across partisan lines? you never see that in politics these days. >> he seemed to care. he seemed to genuinely care about what he was talking about. >> to me he was just like m jusy person. >> do you think that he was too aggressive? the president was there. some people thought that it was inappropriate for him to say what he said. you are nodding your head no. you think it was appropriate? >> i think it was appropriate because you have to hit on the

topics people want to talk about and you can't keep candy-coating everything. >> this is our country. >> what does that mean? >> it belongs to all of us, not just to the people in washington. all of us. >> do you think that people in washington listen to you? >> no. >> do you think he listens to you? >> he, being -- >> dr. cars on. >> so there's a language there. keep going. >> like you said it's un-american to bite your tongue and hold back and not say what you think. >> do you guys agree with that? >> yes. >> a good way to get out of the segment. sean, there aren't many people to have the language to talk to the american people. but there is something about the doctor's message and delivery that really does connect across partisan lines. very impressive. back to you. >> all right. sounds like frank may have found some carson campaign volunteers. and still talk about the possibility of a career in politics, the man himself, dr. ben carson. just a quick poll, how many of

you would like to see dr. carson run? >> okay. that's everybody. >> well, i've always said the only way i would go into politics is if god grabbed me by the collar and stuck me there. it's not something that has been an ambition of mine, but i have a great desire to get our populous educated because 23 we get our populous educated, they will be able to decipher the truth from what is false. if we don't start doing that, we are going to go down the same path as all the pinnacle nation that is preceded us. >> you have said, and i read a lot of speeches you have given and comment men's speeches and i think you mention it in this speech that doctors played a very pivotal role in terms of our founding and our framers, and you want to see doctors more involved in politics. >> i do because doctors and scientists learn to make decisions based on facts.

they use empirical data as opposed to idea logs who don't really have any facts to make their decisions on. >> can i ask, you retire in june. >> yes. >> i'm even hesitant to ask you this but i think i have to because it's on the table, do you consider -- are you aligned with the party? would you want to answer who you voted for for president? >> i'm an independent. >> okay. >> and, you know, i tend to align myself closer with parties that are doing things or advocating things that would be good for the country. that should tell you who i voted for. i won't go any further than that. >> oh, okay. anyone want to take any bets? all right. when we come back, we will have a lot of fun. we will open all this up to our audience.

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"hannity." dr. ben carson is with us. are you ready to take the audience questions? >> absolutely. >> let's start here. jason. >> i want it ask about kids growing up in circumstances that you grew up in today. in the ghetto in particular. what's missing? are there not enough adults with that sort of mind set? is it a leadership break down? what's the problem. >> combination of the things you happened. there's a great family break down. for instance, when you look at the african-american community, 70% of the babies are born out of wedlock. you are in the supposed to talk about that because all family situations are supposed to be equal these days, right? but they are not equal. that father is very much-needed. producing the right kinds ever role models for the children and giving them a value system because if you don't provide them with a value system at home, they are going to find it somewhere else. and it may not be a good value system. so you combine that with the fact that when they go to

school, in many cases they are surrounded by a bunch of politically-correct people who begin to indoctrinate them in something other than the can-do attitude and we've got a problem. >> dr. siegel? >> dr. carson, i'm not so priced, a doctor like you, who is a top neuropediatric surgeon who literally has the brains of children in your hands that would be your first idea. you started talking about health savings accounts and skin in the game. how do you feel about this idea that if patients knew what they were buying, how much a cat scan cost, how much an mri cost. instead we have a temperature that all of it feeds together with physicians who are afraid of malpractice, afraid of being sued and so many tests are being ordered. on the patient side they don't know what they are getting and on the doctor side they are afraid not to order it. what do you say about that?

>> of all the countries in the world, we -r9 ones that have a big problem with malpractice. so what is it here that isn't everywhere else? the trial lawyers association. special interest groups. anything in our society that comes out of washington that doesn't make sense is attached to a special interest group. they become, as i alluded to in the speech, the fourth branch of government. until we deal with that we will keep doing things that don't make sense. >> dr. carson, i want to thank you for your leadership. do know the black liberal establishment is not going to be happy but. and i'm talking about the community activists, some of the pass stores, some of the politicians and the black media because it's your story of success that they don't want communicated to the black community because they thrive on talking about blacks are victims and need special treatment. so i want to thank you for all you are doing for your leadership because we need more leaders such as yourself to

communicate this story that america really is an exceptional country. >> absolutely. thank you. and i have heard from a lot of black leaders, actually, since this time, who are very thrilled with what i'm saying. i'm sure there are some that are not, but people are starting to think for themselves. this is what i really enjoy. black people, white people, brown people, yellow people, think for yourself. don't be a puppet. >> so the government accountability office came out with a year-end fiscal report back in january and they said we heed to start running surpluses of one percent over the next century just to keep the same debt to gdp ratio we have today. the senate can't even -- or process a budget in the senate right now, how do we shift the narrative to start talking about surpluses? >> i think we would get surpluses almost immediately if we changed our policies. if we took away a lot of the

burdensome regulations, if we dropped the tax rates. you would see money flooding back into this place if we just gave people the kind of incentives that they used to have. and you look what happened in this country when we didn't have an oppressive government, and when we did encourage entrepreneurship. we skyrocketed. it's all pent-up right now ready to go. look at all the money that is in wall street. that money would be invested immediately if people felt that there wasn't some nefarious government out there trying to figure out how to get their money. >> and the money wouldn't be in the caymans, as you mentioned in your speech, and also if we would drill. >> you look at north and south dakota, montana, you look at all that shale up there. >> it's crazy. >> we could just blow saidio arabia off the map economically. >> i love not being pc. >> dock, to i'm taking care of

my 93-year-old mom so we have a few doctors in our lives. one of them left practice for a another practice and another is concern about his practice and his role in his own practice. can you talk a little bit about how this obamacare is affecting doctors in the medical community? >> yes. first of all, recognize that you have to go back and look at this historically. when medicare, medicaid first came along, doctors who took care of those patients knew that they weren't going to make any money, but they were okay with it because the insurance companies at that time did have to pay for the ones who did have insurance. and just about every doctor, dr. siegel can tell you, had a percentage of their practice that was indigent and they didn't care. we've always taken care of those patients. but now, because the margins are so narrow, because the insurance companies can do what they want to do, they aren't capable of doing that anymore. you know, i do think we need

some of that reform also. insurance reform. one of the major pillars of our system is insurance company who make money by denying people care. we need to deal with that situation because that's an inherent conflict of interest. i'm sure we could figure out a way they can make an adequate profit and people can still be taken care of. remember when we go to the hsa situation, the insurance companies will have a very different role because they will be doing bridge insurance, and we also will have a way to take care of catastrophic insurance. >> we will take a break. we will come back with our lobsterfest is the king of all promotions.

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round. >> i think that one of the biggest questions after listening to you tonight it has been an absolute pleasure have we gone too far? do you think america can come back from where we are today? >> i think that that is why i wrote the book. i think we have what it takes to do it. we just have to speak up. >> january, 2017 you have been inaugurated president of the united states what would be the top legislative priority? >> assuming things are continuing the way they are now we have to get the economy worming again. that would take care of the job. >> when you say things that you don't want tome poo hear there is an effort to de legitimize the speaker. >> i wasn't concerned there's nothing they can to do lee get

miez me. >> you said one of the speeches live a clean life and don't lie because you won't have to worry about what you say. ronald reagan for the at-batting na made a compete 180 and was speaking out for obama care. what happened? >> only 23 percent of the doctors be long to the ama. just grab one of them and they respect. >> how would you do this as a doctor and president of the united states section 13-11 of this law empowers -- the obama health law. it empowers the federal government bick cates had you those privately. how will you protect that doctor patient relationship.

by rewriteling that. (laughter) >> thank you so much for speaking your mind i ternl i hope you will do this. reflection it's over go. >> i enjoyed what senator raub yo had to is a lay night. open people to roar big gus and come pore ward. >> is a measure of won-- responsibility kill any more that is not their responsibility. but rather the government. i thing the government would have lost that message you are expanding the things that the government can do instead of

politicia politicians. sorry we are not give you any ore sit zeins politicalcally kokt police have silenced dede combat. we to >> the speech with the part about your brother touched me so faeply. i have a younger of one boys when it has a billion micing parsons out of property left-hand a lot of people that goed boort if you don't know any more than